EC 93/116 vs EU 99/100: 3.2 wins over 2.5T?
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Originally Posted by
vtie
I am afraid that the numbers you quoted are older data (perhaps 2006 BMW models, your brochure doesn't specify the MY). Before the EfficientDynamics program, which drastically increased efficiency. The numbers I quoted were for the 2007 BMW models
I did some more research, and the newest 530xi went from an E label to a C label car in the Netherlands, which represents a more efficient car relative to similar models. This is a remarkable improvement indeed. This can be checked on BMW's website:
http://www.bmw.nl/nl/nl/index_narrowband.html
Now back to Volvo, I don't like BMW's anyway.
I am writing the message below taking into account the risk of boring you all to death. This is probably interesting for freaks only, like me.
The data in the first message of this thread could be wrong. The MY06 2.5T data could be based on the EU 93/116 standard (the one BMW is using according to Vtie), the MY08 3.2 data are based on the EU 99/100 standard. These standards are based on different EU Directives that prescribe different test cycles! The EU 99/100 test cycle shows higher CO2 emissions for the same car compared to the EU 93/116 standard (so the BMW 530xi does not really compare to the Volvo V70 T6, also not because of the the RON 98 vs RON 95 difference ...).
Read footnote 15 in this EU publication I found:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/...2_0693en01.pdf
I found the EU 93/116 data for the new 3.2 on the web. If you compare on the basis of EU 93/116 these would be the right figures:
MY06 2.5T XC70 geartronic:
0-100km/h in 8.5s
Fuel consumption combined cycle: 11.1 L/100km
CO2 emission: 266 g/km
MY08 3.2 XC70 geartronic:
0-100km/h in 8.6s
Fuel consumption combined cycle: 10.8 L/100km
CO2 emission: 258 g/km
Price list with EU 93/116 data for the XC70 3.2: http://nl.volvocars.be/NR/rdonlyres/.../XC70NLdef.pdf
Price list with EU 99/100 data for the XC70 3.2: http://www.volvocars.nl/NR/rdonlyres...0_MY0867V7.pdf
So, is the new 3.2 more powerful and more fuel efficient than the 2.5T after all? Only if the MY06 2.5T data are based on EU 93/116. I found this french language price list that shows Vties numbers for the 2.5T in EU 93/116, so probably: yes.
Price list with EU 93/116 data for the 2.5T:http://www.volvocars.fr/NR/rdonlyres.../VOLVOXC70.pdf
However, if you compare notes on a 2.5T FWD and 3.2 FWD geartronic in the S80 the numbers are basicly the same (3.2 is quicker and a bit more efficient and 49kgs heavier). So is the 3.2 a real improvement? No, not if you look at the numbers only, but the 3.2 certainly is more refined and quiet. But according to this price list the 3.2 in the S80 is EURO 5 compliant, so why not in the XC70???! http://www.volvocars.nl/NR/rdonlyres...4_05_07_V8.pdf
So confusing all this stuff!
Conclusion? The 3.2 is too close to the 2.5T in almost every way, if you would only judge by the numbers.
I'm convinced that the 3.2 will not be a disappointment knowing it's quieter and smoother than the 2.5T.
D6 diesel is available from Volvo: 280HP!
:D
Description of Volvo's 280hp D6 engine:
http://www.frenchmarine.com/Product.aspx?PID=478&CID=82
... but it would be hard to fit it into a XC70. Sorry Vtie to be pulling your leg like this, but it would be a good idea indeed if Volvo would introduce a D6 for cars too. The 2.7 and 3.0 TDI engines in the Audi Allroad are great examples of powerful diesels that sell very well overhere.
Clarkson from BBC is disapointed too!!!
Hi
I read this article last week in the Sunday time, Jeremy Clarskon seems to prefer the old shape too...
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/tol...cle2503695.ece
Cheers