Transmission fluid color

[Hopkey]

Okay, so I have a 2003 XC70 (obviously automatic). I have 2 different shops work on it, one close to work, one close to home. The current transmission fluid is red and the other shop says that it should be purple. Both shops say that use synthetic. I tried googling and also searching this site for my specific question but couldn't find anything.

I know there are some smart people on here who know if the car really takes red or purple but I can't seem to find the answer. I have about 1-2k miles on the car since the change and want to fix it quickly if purple is the right one. Can I get away with the red? BTW, the car has 118k miles.

Thank you,

Travis

[JayPinNC]

Mobil ATF 3309 or Toyota Type T-IV is all I've been using. It's red.

Maybe there's a purple syn ATF that meets the 3309 specs, but I don't know.

[Hopkey]

Thank you for the quick response. I was comforted that I was in good company, until I saw your profile with a new tranny... Now I'm back to curious. Hopefully the two were unrelated.

Travis

[Astro14]

You can only use a JWS-3309 fluid or you'll destroy the trans. I am not making this up...there are lots of shops out there that say "this stuff i sell is synthetic Poly-Alpha Olefin-based wonder fluid and way better than that dinosaur extract that you're using..." but what they're missing, and is missing from the fluid, is the friction modifiers that allow a slip-controlled transmission (the AW55-50SN...yours) to work.

If the fluid meets JWS-3309, it will say so on the Product Data Sheet or the bottle.

Fluids that I have used and I know meet JWS-3309:
Toyota T-IV
Volvo fluid
Mobil 3309

All of them are RED.

Other fluids that state that they meet JWS-3309:

Mobil 1 ATF (new formula)
Valvoline MaxLife
Castrol Import Multi Vehicle
AMSOIL Synthetic Multi-Vehicle Transmission Fluid
Royal Purple Max ATF

The first three of those are RED. Never opened any of the other 2...

The fluid in this trans should be red...

And the shop's ignorance of this transmissions requirements could cost you thousands in the future...and because they claim it should be purple, I don't trust them from the start. I've pulled and replaced 2 valve bodies on the AW55-50SN, and both my cars are still running on the original trannies...don't know if that is significant, but I am picky about using the right fluid, whether it's engine oil or brake fluid or trans fluid...

So, my advice would be not to agree to the purple gunk unless they can show you where it meets JWS-3309.

In fact, I would want to know what the first shop used...there are a lot of fluids that are red and DON'T meet JWS-3309...and a lot of shops are ignorant of this thing's special requirements...

[Q-ship]

Castrol Import Multi Vehicle is Red as well and I have seen no ill effects

[Astro14]

Been using the Castrol IMV in my kid's Corolla for a couple of years...it's always said that it meets Toyota T-IV, but it's only recently that they added the JWS-3309 to the label. And you're right, works just fine...[thumbup]

My understanding is that the T-IV and JWS-3309 are in fact the same exact standard...since Toyota built this trans, that makes sense, but I can't find proof of that anywhere, so it remains an "understanding"...;)

[Hopkey]

Awesome! Thank you all for the replies. I will stop by the shop on Monday and have them show me the bottle.

I appreciate the quick help. Great forum!

Travis

[JayPinNC]

Thank you for the quick response. I was comforted that I was in good company, until I saw your profile with a new tranny... Now I'm back to curious. Hopefully the two were unrelated.

Travis

I can only assume they were unrelated - I'm the second owner. Could have been the stop-neutral software that did the original transmission in.

Bottom line - use an ATF that meets the JWS-3309 standard.

[TheDarkKnightt]

Also- don't trust the shop to fill it correctly!!!!

If the shop tries to fill the transmission from any other place other than the dipstick tube- your transmission is ruined! Do like it was first stated on this forum by many other good owners- put a "Do not touch" on the bolt on the top of the transmission- many shops try to fill it through this, but this bolt holds a transmission band if it is removed- the transmission is toast! :mad:

Be careful with any shop that has never or has little experience with these cars- it may be far cheaper in the long run to get a set of ramps and do it yourself.

[Hopkey]

Astro14,

The shop uses a "universal" fluid manufacutred by BG products in Kansas. It says it meets Totota T-IV specs, along with others...

Now I'm not sure. The shop looked at me like I was crazy. They are a Volvo only shop so I'm inclined to trust them.

I can post a picture of the box when I get to my computer.

Thanks!!

[sjonnie]

Astro14,

The shop uses a "universal" fluid manufacutred by BG products in Kansas. It says it meets Totota T-IV specs, along with others...

Now I'm not sure. The shop looked at me like I was crazy. They are a Volvo only shop so I'm inclined to trust them.

I can post a picture of the box when I get to my computer.

Thanks!!

The BG stuff should be fine, several people report using it without problems over at BITOG. http://www.bglsi.com/ATF.PDF

[Astro14]

The BG stuff should be OK, PDS says that it meets JWS-3309...that's what really matters.

But I have a hard time recommending things that I have not tried...I love BITOG, by the way...are you sure the BITOG guys using it in an AW55-050SN?

Because I've read some stuff on BITOG that makes me cringe...like the one guy who has a QUART of MMO, plus Kreen and Auto-RX in his crankcase, a gallon of MMO in his fuel tank along with 2 other carb cleaners and then he wonders why his '82 Camaro V-6 smokes a bit...(because you're not lubricating with oil and you're not running on gasoline?...ya think?).

Or the guy who recommends starting the engine with the OIL PLUG OUT to get that last drop of old oil out, before putting new stuff in (now, there's a plan!..your oil change approach ensures that you'll never have to worry about rust, 'cuz you're gonna' blow that thing up long before it ever rusts...)

Tranny wear won't show up immediately...so, I am always a bit leery of "it works fine in my car..." claims...sure, the Camaro's engine continues to run when there is MMO, solvent and Auto-RX in the crankcase...but I don't recommend doing that to your Volvo "white" engine...:D