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myzomela
11-08-2009, 11:55 AM
Over lunch on the 2nd drive day (http://www.volvoxc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=15065), we came up with a date for our third drive:
Sunday 7 March 2010.

I can come down to Sydney for the weekend, and we could do something a little closer to home for the Sydney drivers.

So, any suggestions for a route?

Hayabusa
11-09-2009, 01:34 AM
Anywhere. I'm in!

tank2
11-09-2009, 03:52 AM
From the Mountains...

to the Highlands...

& down to the Coast!!

My 2c ...

Start:
Sydney
Royal National Park
Stanwell Tops
Seacliff Bridge
Wollongong

Morning tea:
Kiama blowhole

Nowra
(Jervis Bay?)
Ulladulla

Lunch (location subject to time):
Batemans Bay/Mogo/Moruya/Narooma

Afternoon tea (location subject to time):
Braidwood
Bungendore

Queanbeyan

Dinner:
Canberra

Goulburn
Sydney

May be a tad ambitious, & havenít factored in any off-road drifting/mud slides, but just to kick things off. A load of national parks & forests along the way...

Good to get in before daylight saving ends!

PJ810
11-09-2009, 05:55 AM
I'm in. Note very slow progress through scenic unsealed roads. Not so much our slow driving, but the regular stops for photos which result in chat. Either way, I'm happy. I say we let the family "units" decide amongst each other what the next itinerary should be.

Matters
11-11-2009, 03:45 AM
My preference is for a majority off road or unsealed trip rather than a "cruise". I note that we discussed the possibility of going to a 4WD park - if one exists. I would be much happier getting my XC filthy!

PJ810
11-11-2009, 05:28 AM
I would be much happier getting my XC filthy!

Leave it in my care for 48 hours. I promise I'll return it filthy. Totally free of charge. [thumbup]

http://i139.photobucket.com/albums/q289/pj810/Volvo_paint.jpg

Franxc06
11-12-2009, 04:26 AM
Hey guys I wish I done the drive with you guys, those photos are spectacular is there any more photos? the scenery is just great , what about the XC's how did they handle the terrain.
I had to catch up on study exams next two weeks then this simester is over, so then I will be able to meet some of you.
By the way how many kilometers did youse clocked on that trip and fuel consumption.
Every time we drive to Jervis bay (Callala beach) I have to say the fuel consumption is really good and the XC see to have ample power to handle any situation.
Any way well done and nice pics,
Cheers
Frank

Franxc06
11-12-2009, 04:36 AM
Hey guys I wish I done the drive with you guys, those photos are spectacular is there any more photos? the scenery is just great , what about the XC's how did they handle the terrain.
I had to catch up on study exams next two weeks then this simester is over, so then I will be able to meet some of you.
By the way how many kilometers did youse clocked on that trip and fuel consumption.
Every time we drive to Jervis bay (Callala beach) I have to say the fuel consumption is really good and the XC see to have ample power to handle any situation.
Any way well done and nice pics,
Cheers
Frank

PJ810
11-12-2009, 05:02 AM
Hey guys I wish I done the drive with you guys, those photos are spectacular is there any more photos? the scenery is just great , what about the XC's how did they handle the terrain.
I had to catch up on study exams next two weeks then this simester is over, so then I will be able to meet some of you.
By the way how many kilometers did youse clocked on that trip and fuel consumption.
Every time we drive to Jervis bay (Callala beach) I have to say the fuel consumption is really good and the XC see to have ample power to handle any situation.
Any way well done and nice pics,
Cheers
Frank

I logged an average of 9.9L/100km on the drive. I wasn't trying to drive efficiently, pushing it fairly hard through some of the corners on the sealed sections of road. Unsealed was taken with care. All the cars handled all conditions with utmost ease and in great comfort too.

All up well over 200 photos were taken. I guess more will show up in due course.

I recommend you lock yourself in for the 3rd drive day, 7th March, and join in the fun.

myzomela
11-12-2009, 03:24 PM
By the way how many kilometers did youse clocked on that trip and fuel consumption.
Frank
I averaged 9.7 (on the trip computer) and did 590km between breakfast and dinner.

As for the terrain - I'd almost say "what terrain?". Apart from a couple of bends with loose surface, which I took a wee bit faster than I should have :o, it was a sinch. The warning sign at Swallow Tail Pass (you probably saw the photo in the post) was a bit melodramatic.

Hope you can join in the fun on 7 March.

Matters
11-14-2009, 06:30 PM
I averaged 10.1 litres per 100 km/h in the 3.2.

I spoke to a friend with the new model Lexus RX350. He saw my pics on Facebook and would be keen to "tag-along".

I just spent last week working in Wollongong. I spent a night in Bowral and drove through Kangaroo Valley via Berry. Lovely part of the world!

Having said that, nothing beats an unsealed road! Perhaps we should consider "sand duning" in Stockton Beach, Newcastle?

PJ810
11-15-2009, 01:46 AM
Stockton sounds good. We can use my portable pump to adjust tyre pressures and I'll remember to bring some decent rope.

Not sure if my car is tough enough to pull a bogged RX350 out of the sand though...

Hayabusa
11-15-2009, 03:28 PM
Stockton sounds good. We can use my portable pump to adjust tyre pressures and I'll remember to bring some decent rope.

Not sure if my car is tough enough to pull a bogged RX350 out of the sand though...

No worries. I'll bring my XC90 along for that [thumbup]

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PJ810
11-19-2009, 04:54 AM
I was just thinking, I ditched my Scorpions for W-rated road tyres, thinking I don't do much sand driving, and the road tyres are fine on unsealed stuff. Anyone have any idea how wider profile road tyres will cope with sand? I'd lower the pressure considerably of course.

JRC19S
11-20-2009, 12:56 PM
I found this video of Stockton

http://www.youtube.com/psproule#p/a/u/2/6aWI6y2rTUA

PJ810
11-21-2009, 12:46 AM
I found this video of Stockton

http://www.youtube.com/psproule#p/a/u/2/6aWI6y2rTUA

I can already see the embarrassment of having half a dozen Volvo XCs bogged. :(

Wouldn't mind some comments from XC owners who've driven a lot on sand.

JRC19S
11-22-2009, 06:19 PM
I do know Stockton has been driven in Outbacks & by at least 1 Kluger with no problems. My main reservation would be any 'sandy-salty ' corrosion.

If I get a chance to try some sand I will let you know. Our big trip we are planning is the Flinders Ranges in April next year. That will test the evhicle a bit!

PJ810
11-24-2009, 03:58 AM
I do know Stockton has been driven in Outbacks & by at least 1 Kluger with no problems. My main reservation would be any 'sandy-salty ' corrosion.

If I get a chance to try some sand I will let you know. Our big trip we are planning is the Flinders Ranges in April next year. That will test the evhicle a bit!

Likewise my concerns are:

1. Lots of salty sand going EVERYWHERE.
2. Hoons in Hiluxes catapulting themselves over dunes.
3. Up and down along a beach rather than a scenic route.
4. Getting bogged and not being able to safely snatch the cars out.

I'd like an opinion from the rest of you whether Stockton is a sensible option at this stage, and whether it's a family friendly option.

JRC19S
11-24-2009, 02:56 PM
Patrick, XC-ers, as an alternative suggestion you could try:

Sydney to Kurrajong Heights (Bell Rd) sealed road
Left at Opal Museum (before K'jong pub) to ridge top.
Left along ridge top to join Burralow Fire Trail to Burralow camp area: big grassy area, photo opportunity, waterfall walk: all dirt roads, some bumps but I have done in my XC.
Burralow camp to Bilpin: unsealed, some steep corners but my XC handled it OK.
Left along Bell Rd to Mt Wilson. Will be a lunch spot somewhere here or at Mt Banks which is on the way to Mt Wilson
Bowens Creek Road back to Berambing (Bell Rd again). Steep, windy, some possibly slippery sections ; scenic bridge crossing (I have done in a 164 but that was 30y ago). As far as I know this road is open.
Bell Rd to Bilpin.
Left on Mountain Lagoon Rd to Mtn Lagoon, then Mtn Lagoon Fire Trail to Comleroy Rd. I've done this in a 240 years ago, on a mtn bike, and about 6 months ago in a Pajero. Has got a bit rutted but Paj did not bottom out. Should be OK in XC if taken gently.
Comleroy Rd to Clo River then back via Putty rd to Windsor.

Matters
11-24-2009, 04:33 PM
I think Castaway has taken his Rav4 on Stockton on multiple occasions. Additionally, my Father has also taken his RX350.

I've also seen XC70s, Klugers, Allroads, Adventras and Outbacks.

The bogging problems will arise if:

1) you attempt to negotiate the big dunes instead of the beach;
2) you do not deflate your tyres sufficiently.

What you see in the video shouldn't be attempted by our vehicles as the overhang will be caught in the sand drift.

Salty corrosion is not a problem for any of the vehicles I've taken along the beach for many years. Most vehicles, with the possible exception of 1980s Italian cars, are made to withstand the salt used in North America etc and have no problem with what is thrown up by the beach.

Having said that, I don't really care where we go, so long as it has a significant off-road component.

PJ810
11-25-2009, 02:10 AM
OK, if the confidence factor is there that Stockton isn't a problem for our XCs, then I'm cool with it.

The other route sounds fantastic too. I'm happy to stay out of the decision making process. XCers, please make a decision, throw in some times, maybe departure location in Sydney, etc.

JRC19S
01-29-2010, 04:21 PM
I went for a drive in the Little Desert in Victoria while I was on holiday. I was in my 2005 Pajero btw, but I did get it stuck at one point. I got out by turning traction control off (amazing how this helps).

My suggestions for sand driving with an XC are hence:
- be able to get the tyre pressure down to 20 psi for the sand ---and drive consequently carefully when back on the road until you can get pumped back up!
-turn the DSTC or whatever it is called OFF. I don't have a button for this on my XC so I would probably pull the ABS control fuse as I understand the TC works off the abs. I will talk to my service guy first just to make sure it doesn't cause any other problems. If you are not confident about turning DSTC off I would steer clear of sandy stuff.

myzomela
02-01-2010, 01:35 PM
Have you seen the Inland Sea post? (http://www.volvoxc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7281) It's pretty clear from that trip that the XCs can handle sand.

However at this stage, having never done it, I'm not quite sure that I can handle the sand. Do we have anyone coming who rooly knows what they're doing on sand, to give us novices some tips? Without that, I'm inclined to vote against Stockton - with both caution and regret.

Either way, we need to decide soon as the drive day is now less than five weeks away.:D

PJ810
02-02-2010, 04:45 AM
Having spoken off-forum with Matters, I understand there's a chance of having a dedicated brand new Landcruiser Turbo Diesel escort vehicle with us, just in case we get stuck.

As for DSTC and TRACS, first generation XC can switch TRACS off. None of the current Sydney/ACT members have this off-switch feature. However, TRACS is only a mild traction control and it's easy to spin the wheels if you want to.

If your car is fitted with DSTC you can switch it off on the dash.

I've driven very short distances on sand (and up a small dune) without even reducing tyre pressure. Considering the Inland Sea post, and what I've seen of Stockton (stay on the solid sand, stay away from the dunes), we should be fine.

However, I'm happy either way.

On another note, last weekend I took some overseas guests down the Swallow Tail Pass again, marked on the map as 4WD only. Given the rain we've had, the conditions had deteriorated significantly since our drive day. A tree on the road, the surface being even rougher, and a lot more mud after the river crossing!

Also, on the run down to the Wombeyan Caves, we saw a ute down the embankment. I'll posts some photos in the next couple of days.

myzomela
02-08-2010, 05:10 AM
Thanks for that Patrick and Matters. I'm very much reassured.

Mrs Myzomela and I are now happy to go to Stockton. Young Master Myzomela would be delighted too, as he's pretty keen on sandpits.

Any further opinions on the question?

PJ810
02-22-2010, 04:35 AM
Bump. We're getting close to the date. Final confirmation for numbers please. And lets start planning the details. Where we meet, what time, who brings what food, etc.

Matters
02-24-2010, 11:16 PM
I'm in subject to Wife clearance tonight.

Due to his potential unavailability, I may have to take the "rescue Prado" myself, in lieu of my brother who would otherwise drive it. I will ensure that we purchase a tow rope as well.

Once you are on the solid sand it is almost like driving on a sealed road. The loose sand is, however, far more tricky and takes trial and error. However, most of the pathways to the beach are well worn and are easily negotiated by RAV4s, Outbacks and Allroads. I can't imagine an XC should be troubled.

My family own a small property near the entry to Stockton Beach [1 minute drive]. It will be a great place to deflate the tyres and prepare for our little trip. We should consider this as a meeting point.

PJ810
03-03-2010, 03:30 AM
Plan at this stage is:

1. Meet outside the front of Coles on the Pacific Hwy in Lindfield (North bound).

2. Drive to Anna Bay

3. Enjoy the beach and a BBQ at Matters's weekender

4. Return to Terrigal for dinner by around 5pm (we need to work on Monday morning. :( )

5. Evening coffee in Lindfield or Chatswood subject to negotiation on the day

At this stage Matters is bringing a Prado rescue vehicle instead of his XC. Sensible.

We have four confirmed and one maybe:

Matters
Myzomela
Tank2
PJ810

Maybe: sydneyv70xc

There's a few of you who've expressed interest and have gone quiet... now is the time to lock Sunday into your diary and to join us. I think 2-3 cars at this stage will have young kids, so no need to leave the family at home.[thumbup]

sydneyv70xc
03-03-2010, 03:48 AM
Patrick,

Sounds like a plan. See U'All @ 0800hrs this Sunday outside of Coles on Pacific Highway Lindfield facing north.

Cheers

Ocean Racer
03-04-2010, 06:29 AM
Sounds like a fun cruise gents but I will have to send my apologies :(
Crossing the Nullabor again isnt on my wish list.
Do upload pics as im always keen to see how things went. [thumbup]

myzomela
03-04-2010, 03:25 PM
Crossing the Nullabor again isnt on my wish list.


I imagine removing your radar detector isn't on the list either.;)

If you are ever coming east, let us know, we'll put something on.