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sargent
09-24-2009, 10:19 AM
Hello,

I have a 2004 XC70 with 77K Miles and it is making a clunking or lounding clinking noise noise when i engage either reverse or drive (reverse being louder ususally). The noise sounds like it is coming from the passenger front. I thinking it might be a CV joint but am looking for help. The first winter i drove the car it would make a consistent loud clicking noise while i was driving - i had the drive shaft and CV joints look at and i replaced one CV joint at that time. I have read other threads regarding the replacement of drive shafts - what are the "tell tale" signs of CV joints versus drive shaft replacement.

Appreciate any help or suggestions.

Scott.

kamiar
09-24-2009, 12:12 PM
My car was at the dealership for more than a week for this nd also another engine noise, after many hours of diagnostics, this turned out to be from within the transmission, nothing dangerous they said and was not covered by my extended warranty (now expired) to replace a tranny so i live with it. they also glued teh spindles but didnt help much, all mounts are new etc...

JRL
09-24-2009, 01:49 PM
The older they become, the more they can clunk.
Some don't, most do

Canuck
09-24-2009, 04:20 PM
I had a similar problem (clicking) that was solved by installing XC90 axle bolts. If you too are experiencing this so-called 'axle ping,' the bolts will solve the problem and cost you less than $80 to buy from a dealer. Do a search on here and you'll find the thread where it's discussed. I can dig out the part number for the bolts if you need.

sargent
09-24-2009, 07:21 PM
Canuk,

What Alberta delaer did you take your xc to? i only ask because the Edmonton Dealer is excellent and telling me what my car should have fixed rather than what i took it into have looked at. There was one visit where they told me i needed new wheel bearings - i had them replaced (front & rear) 2 weeks earlier at a local volvo specialist......

Canuck
09-25-2009, 09:27 AM
Sargent,
I'm also in Edmonton, and I assume the local specialist you're referring to is Sandy Land. To be honest, I haven't had any bad experiences with Volvo of Edmonton. Although, it wasn't them who suggested the axle bolt fix for my car, it was actually JRL.

billr99
09-25-2009, 10:23 AM
In regard to the axle bolt subject, does anyone know what the differences are between the XC90 bolts and the standard XC70 bolts? And how does that alter the clunking problem? Worth changing as a preventative measure?

I apologize if these details are already out there, but a search did not produce any revealing results.

Thanks,

Bill

sargent
09-25-2009, 10:29 AM
Hi Canuk,

So, The Edmonton Dealer did the work. That's good to know. Atleast they will know what i am referring to when i go there. As for the specialist shop...not Sandy Lane but Repsonse Automotive. By far the best volvo guy in Town. I havn't had great experience at Sandy Lane either. I am only going to the Dealer because they owe me some free work after scratching my paint when i had the rear spoiler installed.

Thanks for the input.

Canuck
09-25-2009, 10:55 AM
You don't need them to install the axle bolts. It literally takes less than 1 minute to install both bolts. You don't even have to take the wheels off. Just use a suction cup to pull off the plastic caps in the middle of the wheel.
I've never heard of Response Auto - where are they? I've used Sandy Lane for years and Karl's place before that.

Canuck
09-25-2009, 11:00 AM
Here is the link I used to do the job. There are pictures and part numbers.
http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=60005&page=2

sargent
09-25-2009, 11:05 AM
Hello Canuk,

Response Automotive took over Karl's Place. Mark, the head mechanic worked under Karl for yearsr before Karls Place closed. They are just off Fort RD and the Yellowhead. 780-474-6116. Excellent shop.

As for the axle bolts, it does sound simple. once i have pull of the centere cap on my wheel and exposed the hub, is it as simple as removing the exisitng bolt and putting on the new one. Does the car have to be jacked up? and what are the torque specs for tightening?

Did the changing of the axle bolts stop the clicking noise when driving or when engaging drive/ reverse.

Thanks Canuk.

sargent
09-25-2009, 11:07 AM
Thanks Canuk,

The link is great, i sent the previous email while you were sending yours.

Cheers.

sargent
09-28-2009, 06:24 PM
Yet again this forum has diagnosed my volvo. just picked up the car from the dealer where they installed new xc90 axle bolts (for free as they owed me some work) and the car is shifting in an out of gear as quiet as ever.

thanks again to everyone for your help.

kamiar
09-28-2009, 06:31 PM
As i mentioned i have this and the dealer told me it is the transmission, was it like a click and clank when at idle shifting gear to D o R?

sargent
09-28-2009, 06:38 PM
Yes,

that pretty much decribes the sound. Shifting from P to R and then into D at idle. As of this afternoon it's gone. had it not been free, it would have been around $125CDN (parts/labour)

kamiar
09-28-2009, 06:46 PM
Thanks, i will get the bolts and install them, if that fixes the problem, i will be very happy but will have another battle with the Volvo dealer here in Montreal because they didnt tell me the truth.

Aviator
09-28-2009, 06:57 PM
So what's so special about these bolts that's making everyone go out and get them. Is there not something that can be done with the original bolts to make them perform like the XC90 bolts??

Dave.

kamiar
09-28-2009, 07:25 PM
I think the only diffrence is the plastic bushing thingy...

Aviator
09-28-2009, 07:56 PM
Can anyone post a pic of one? I'd be curious to see what kind of band-aid fix this is; there's only so much that can be done with a simple bolt.

Dave.

Q-ship
09-28-2009, 07:56 PM
http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=126471

I do believe the bolts are the fix. Some get away with Loctite, but that does not always last

kamiar
09-28-2009, 08:24 PM
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n202/llabahn/XC90axlebolts005Medium.jpg

billr99
09-28-2009, 08:28 PM
Can anyone post a pic of one? I'd be curious to see what kind of band-aid fix this is; there's only so much that can be done with a simple bolt.

Dave.
Dave:

Here is the link to the IPD page (http://www.ipdusa.com/Volvo-XC90/Transmission-&-Drive-Train/Axle-Bolt/p-105-603-4748/) showing the normal bolt and the XC90 bolt. Never thought I would see a beaker stopper worth $21 USD. :eek:

Cheers,

Bill

IpswichXC
09-29-2009, 03:46 AM
Ok... To summarize this for me and all the shade tree mechanics...

- If you have a "clunk" that sounds like a U-joint is about to break this fix may help
- You replace the FRONT axle bolts with the XC90 FRONT axle bolts (only the front?... and indeed IS it the front?)
- Follow the pictures from the link that Q-Ship posted (http://forums.swedespeed.com/zerothread?id=126471)

And you should be good? Well, unless it is a deeper problem which hopefully it is not.

Canuck
09-29-2009, 08:44 AM
IpswhichXC,

I don't mean to nitpick but a clunk is likely much more of a problem (i.e. transmission).

If you have a click from the front of the vehicle when engaging reverse or drive and while maneuvering at low speeds, then you likely have something called axle ping which the xc90 axle bolts will fix. Yes, you only need to replace the front bolts.

The clunk in my case was the transmission failing which occurred only five weeks before the warranty expired (sooooooooooo lucky on that one).

Good luck.

IpswichXC
09-29-2009, 08:53 AM
Ya I thought the clunk was a little extreme to be a simple bolt fix. i i dont have any other noises during normal driving.

Is there any way to determine if the bolts are a problem at all? Like... what if I raised the car and moved the wheel... like a bearing test or something?

thanks

Canuck
09-29-2009, 09:09 AM
I didn't try to diagnose the problem by lifting the car, I just bought the xc90 bolts straight away.
You should be able to hear the click when going slowly over uneven pavement or speed bumps so if you can't, I doubt the bolts will do you much good.
Senior members of this community might have a clever way of testing this, but I don't.
What year is your xc? Mine was under warranty and the clunking when shifting from P to D combined with some other syptoms (see my post on the 01-02 tranny failure poll) was enough to start a claim with volvo. Unlike some other parts, you don't have to demonstrate complete failure when having a tranny replaced under warranty. If you make the argument that failure is eminent and you're unwilling to drive around waiting for the thing to fail, they should replace it.

kamiar
09-29-2009, 01:03 PM
IpswhichXC,

I don't mean to nitpick but a clunk is likely much more of a problem (i.e. transmission).

If you have a click from the front of the vehicle when engaging reverse or drive and while maneuvering at low speeds, then you likely have something called axle ping which the xc90 axle bolts will fix. Yes, you only need to replace the front bolts.

The clunk in my case was the transmission failing which occurred only five weeks before the warranty expired (sooooooooooo lucky on that one).

Good luck.

Can you describe the clunk and symptoms?

Aviator
09-29-2009, 02:26 PM
Thanks for the picture.....that gives me an idea of what Volvo is up to with regards to that empty gap at the end of the CV joint in the hub. For those of you that don't know what the sound is like, it's almost like walking on some clam shells for a split second or the sound of snapping a paint stir stick in half. It's very pronounced and noticeable, and I've realised I've had it for nearly three years since I bought the car......never knew exactly what it was, but always knew my axle bolts were tight though. I've learned to live with it because it hasn't gotten worse but it does get under my skin when the wife is backing out of the driveway over the lip of the pavement and I hear that curious crunch sound as she's turning. Priced at $36 per bolt at dealer today...yikes!!

Dave.

kamiar
09-29-2009, 02:34 PM
Thanks for the picture.....that gives me an idea of what Volvo is up to with regards to that empty gap at the end of the CV joint in the hub. For those of you that don't know what the sound is like, it's almost like walking on some clam shells for a split second or the sound of snapping a paint stir stick in half. It's very pronounced and noticeable, and I've realised I've had it for nearly three years since I bought the car......never knew exactly what it was, but always knew my axle bolts were tight though. I've learned to live with it because it hasn't gotten worse but it does get under my skin when the wife is backing out of the driveway over the lip of the pavement and I hear that curious crunch sound as she's turning. Priced at $36 per bolt at dealer today...yikes!!

Dave.

Don't you think the rubber can be fabricted from something similar?

Also do you hear the noise while shifting to D or R at idle?

I found the XC90 bolts for 30 CAN tax included in Montreal...

Aviator
09-29-2009, 04:26 PM
Also do you hear the noise while shifting to D or R at idle?

I found the XC90 bolts for 30 CAN tax included in Montreal...

Yes, I hear the noise during each shift for a split second. Odd that they would be cheaper up in Montreal......$36 PLUS tax for us here in Nova Scotia!!

Dave.

kamiar
09-29-2009, 04:57 PM
They are not cheaper, there is a guy who sells Volvo part at his home for cheap!

IpswichXC
09-29-2009, 05:28 PM
Like I said Kamiar... it sounds like a U-joint is clunking. Only happens when I put it in forward and reverse. Maybe indeed it is a U-joint.

kamiar
09-29-2009, 07:14 PM
Well, i have been told it is the spindle and they glued them 2 times then they said it is teh tranny, it is not dangerouse though and some make the noise.

sargent
09-29-2009, 08:42 PM
I can only say that what i was experiencing differs from the traditional axle ping noted when driving at slow speeds. My noise was only autible when at idle shifting into R or D. i did not notice any "ping" when driving - and if it was there i would notice. The swaping of the axle bolts cured my problem. i can't assume this will fix others but it appears that the XC90 bolts may cure the ping at driving and at idle issues.

Canuck
09-29-2009, 08:46 PM
Kamair,
The glue fix was the initial TSB from Volvo, but it was found to be ineffective. Now the recommended fix is XC90 axle bolts.

kamiar
09-30-2009, 06:33 AM
Kamair,
The glue fix was the initial TSB from Volvo, but it was found to be ineffective. Now the recommended fix is XC90 axle bolts.

Thanks, just to clarify, is it now recommended by Volvo or by fellow forum members?

IpswichXC
09-30-2009, 07:00 AM
I like sargent would hear the noise when I first put the car into gear or when i would come to a stop and then drive away like at a stop light or stop sign.

Its a cheap fix.. couldnt hurt to do it.

Canuck
09-30-2009, 09:57 AM
Both.